Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs for the Bedroom Chandelier

Welcome to the 209th Metamorphosis Monday!

I have a little master bedroom update to share for this Met Monday.  You may remember, back in November I updated the candle covers on the chandelier in the dining room.


The old plastic covers had gradually yellowed over the past 16+ years and were looking pretty bad.  I also replaced the regular bulbs that were so glaring on the eyes with silk-wrapped bulbs.  The pic below shows the new silk-wrapped bulbs inside the old plastic candle covers in the dining room chandelier.

Plastic-Candle-Cover Before Upgrade

I hadn’t really realized just how bad the plastic covers looked until I read about wax and resin candle covers.  I took a closer look at my chandelier and saw it was badly in need of an upgrade.  Ultimately,  I went with resin covers over the wax covers because a local lighting expert told me the wax covers can melt if you used bulbs over 25 watts and they can be difficult to keep clean.  To read more about wax vs resin candle covers and to see a side by side comparison, check out my November post here: Transform Your Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs

I have really enjoyed how the resin covers look on the dining room chandelier, so much so I decided to update another chandelier in my home.

Chandelier-with-Resin-Candle-Covers and Silk Wrapped Bulbs

The plastic covers on the chandelier in my master bedroom were not yellow even though the chandelier is around 50 years old.  I’m guessing the dealer from whom I bought the chandelier must have replaced them with new plastic covers before putting it in her shop.

Master Bedroom with Crystal Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs

If you’ve been reading BNOTP for a while, you may remember what was here before I had the chandelier installed.  It was an old, wobbly ceiling fan that was most likely the original fixture from when the home was built in 1983.  When I first moved into this home 22 years ago, I painted the brown,  fake-wood fan in an effort to try and make it just disappear into the ceiling.

Update for Master Bedroom Chandelier

Replacing the fan was on my to do list for many years and in the spring of 2010 I finalled stumbled across a chandelier that was large enough for the room and affordable.  When I bought the chandelier, I took it to a local lighting/antique shop to have it checked out before hanging it.    He replaced a missing crystal and had good things to say about the quality of the chandelier and the crystals.  (You’ll find the post about when this chandelier was first installed here:  A Chandelier for the Master Bedroom)

Crystal Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs

Over the past year or so, two of the bulbs have ceased to work.  When you wiggle them, they flash on and off like they have a short.  You can see the new resin covers and silk-wrapped bulbs I just added about a week ago.  That’s my recent update for this chandelier.  But an update isn’t much fun when two of the lights won’t work.

Crystal Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs

I noticed when I pulled off the old plastic covers, they were super, super tight.  It was really hard getting them off.  That reinforced my thoughts that they may have been replacements put on by the dealer in the shop where I bought it.  I kind of wonder now if that loosened or messed up the wiring when they forced those plastic covers down over the socket/candles.

I decided to check the wiring under the candle covers to see if it appeared loose, so I headed down to the basement to turn off the electricity to the fixture.  After a gazillion trips up and down the steps, I finally located the correct switch.

Fuse Box

Once the power was off to the chandelier, I took a look at the two lights that wouldn’t burn and tightened up the screws that held the wires in place.  They didn’t really feel loose, but…


I did find pieces of the brown paper backing that had been part of the plastic covers, stuck down into the edge of the screws where someone had forced those “too-tight” plastic covers down over the socket thingies.

Lighting 1

After tucking the wires up under the screws a bit better and re-tightening them down, one of the bulbs that had not been working, now worked.  Unfortunately, the bulb that was the first one to stop working a while back, didn’t light up.

Crystal Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs

I turned the power back off and tried once again to loosen and re-tighten the screws on the one that wouldn’t light, but I never was able to get it to work.  It flashed on if you tilted it to one side, but as soon as you let go, it went off again.  Drat!  You can see it there on the right…not lit up.  Any electricians out there with any ideas?

Crystal Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs

I guess I’ll call my lighting expert and see if he’ll make a house-call.  Maybe the socket thingy isn’t working properly.  I think something is loose somewhere, just not sure where.

I do love the resin covers with their “drippy-wax-down-the-sides” appearance.  And I love the silk-wrapped bulbs.   They make such a beautiful upgrade for any chandelier.

If you would like more information about  the resin candle covers and silk-wrapped bulbs, just check out the November post here: Transform Your Chandelier with Resin Candle Covers and Silk-Wrapped Bulbs   In that post, I also list the name of the company where I bought the resin covers.  I was so surprised to see they are actually in Georgia and only about 2 hours away from me.

Update: Lumiere Candles received a call from a reader of BNOTP today.  They told Lumiere about this post.  I’m so glad they did because they just emailed me to say, when ordering from them, if you use the code:  BNOTP   (all in caps) at checkout, you’ll receive 10% off your order.   And just so you know, I’m not affiliated with Lumiere Candles and won’t be receiving anything in compensation from them.  Just sharing this info in case it’s helpful.

Four-Post Bed with Plaid Bedskirt

You can see more of the master bedroom and the adjoining dressing area in this post:  A Princess and the Pea Master Bedroom

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  1. I wish I could help you with your lighting issue but I am not, hopefully it can be fixed I would be a shame if just one bulb didn’t work.

  2. I just love looking at the beautiful photos of your room. The colors you have chosen for the walls, bed, and furniture are so pretty! I love the chandelier and I hope you’re able to find a fix for it soon. Thanks so much for hosting!

  3. Love the changes to your chandelier. Your master bedroom is beautiful, I still swoon over your bedding! Thanks for hosting!!!

  4. That’s a great DIY—you’re so ambitious!

    Mrs. Sarah Coller

  5. Thanks for the tip about the silk wrapped bulbs…I can’t stand that glare from exposed light bulbs but don’t always want a shade on the chandelier bulbs. Thanks for hosting your fun party for us too!

  6. Hope you figure out what the problem is…annoying! Thanks for hosting!…hugs…Debbie

  7. Thank you for hosting. πŸ™‚

  8. Wow, you have the most beautiful chandeliers! Reminds me that I really need to update the ones in my home πŸ™‚ Thanks for hosting!

    • Erin, check the antique shops. You can get some good deals. I was really happy with what I paid for the bedroom chandy, although it took quite a few years to find one I liked and that was in my price range. A friend of mine found a beautiful one on Craig’s list!

  9. Wow, you have the most beautiful chandeliers! Reminds me that I really need to update the ones in my home πŸ™‚ Thanks for hosting!

  10. Oh my gosh! I missed the dining room photos the first time around. I LOVE your big white turkey! Where did you get it? (I have 60,000 big white turkeys on my farm!)

    • Thanks, Katie! He came from Pottery Barn last Thanksgiving. They had him the year before at Thanksgiving time, as well. He is such a great seller for them, they’ll probably bring him back again this Thanksgiving, I bet. You may be able to find one on eBay but it will be more on there I’m sure. 60,000 turkeys! Wow, that’s a bunch of white turkeys. πŸ™‚

  11. Thanks so much for hosting, Susan. Hope you have a great week!

  12. Susan,
    Your chandelier is gorgeous!!!
    Our dining room chandelier does the same thing at one bulb. “Mr. Ed” has done the puffed cheeks, rolled eyes, slammed down the screwdriver thing…but sometimes it refuses to work…and usually when we have company or a home tour!!! Living near the railroad tracks and in the flight landing pattern, “Mr. Ed” states ours is from constant vibration! He could be right!!! Hope you find a solution to yours, dear friend!!!
    Thank you for hosting each week!!!

  13. Love that chandelier, and I have attempted and done one lighting project, but haven’t done anything like that. Thanks so much for hosting another sweet party!

  14. Linda Page says

    I love your bedroom! Can I have it??????? lol I wish I had an answer for your electrical problem but I don’t. I hope your electrical guy can do an easy fix. I did notice on your fuse box that I did not see any of the fuses switches marked for what they belong to. There is a place beside each switch to put a small label or use a permanent ink pen to say when the switch controls. This would save you time if something else needs to be switched off as it would be labeled.

    • Yep, I’ve been labeling them on the inside of the fuse box door. You couldn’t see it in the pic but gradually over the years, we’ve been labeling them. Unfortunately, the master bedroom switch didn’t get labeled when the chandelier was hung…not sure why. It’s labeled now, though! πŸ™‚

  15. Penny @ From Harvest To Table & The Comforts of Home says

    Your chandie is beautiful. I love the new drip wax covers. Thanks for hosting !

  16. It truly is a gorgeous chandelier! I hope the one bulb works soon. It’s too bad we don’t live closer as Mr. Decor is an electronic genius. πŸ™‚

    I’ve linked up a Ballard knockoff today. Enjoy the week!

  17. Seems you have the same 4 poster bed as me but I don’t have the same dresser. This cherry furniture is so heavy. The triple dresser hasn’t been moved since the movers put it there almost 8 hears ago. Same with bed..I have always loved your bed linens and wondered if you will tell me if your dust ruffle comes all in one piece and you have to remove the mattress off it to remove it for washing? Wished I could figure out a way to have a dust ruffle that I can remove easy and it not have to be one large piece that fits over the foundation piece(aka called box springs I guess) Years ago I cut out an article where the dust ruffle with a rod pocket for a tension type rod to hold it onto the bed frame eliminating the labor of lifting the heavy mattress off to put the dust ruffle on/off when needed. Any ideas how that can be done? Do tension rods come the size of a Q bed? Is that a white matalaese coverlet or bed coverlet on top? It makes such a beautiful picture when the bed is made up. Do you leave it on the bed while you sleep? I would be afraid it would get all wrinkled up and soiled. That bedroom chandleir is beautiful. Dont’ understand about the resin and silk covers would have to see it in person to understand what you are talking about. Sound like you have a one of kind chandlelier.

    • Hi Betty, Yep, it’s all one piece. I bought the linen “set” at Linens and Things many years ago and bought a gazillion yards of the plaid moire and had a professional make the skirt. So it is all connected with a big piece that goes over the boxsprings part. I bet one could be made with velcro along the part that you put over the box springs. Or maybe snaps, although it would be a lot of snaps! I bet someone makes a tension rod that size. I’ve seen folks use tension rods for shower curtains. You may be able to find them online. Yes, I do leave the matalaese on top. I found it at Home Goods many years ago for just $30 and I bought two. I was just thinking recently I should keep my eye out for a couple more because the two I have, have been washed quite a bit and though they still look okay, it wouldn’t hurt to buy a new one. Hope I can find another deal like I did before.

      • Leslee in TN says

        Hi… FYI… Country Curtains catalog has this plaid… curtains, valances, and other matching accessories… It also comes in other color combinations. I love your color combo, but also like the one in the jewel tones. Beautiful bedroom, and beeeutiful chandy!! Hopefully you’ll soon find the solution to one light that refuses to cooperate. What a pain in the neck for you!!

    • @Betty819: Re your discussion with Susan about using a tension rod for your bed skirt. Presuming that you may not have a fitted one that drapes over the Box Spring; you can always use upholstery tacks to hold it in place. carries a a product by DRITZ (9070) Item: Upholstery Clear Heads Twist Pins @$4.83 30 per pkg.
      They resemble a map pin head and the opposite end resembles a cork screw which should not damage your fabric. Just ensure if /when you apply them that they are placed ‘within’ the mattress’s edge to ensure they will not be visible. Hope this helps. -Brenda-

  18. Susan, somehow I missed that you had a chandelier in your bedroom. It is beautiful and I hope you’re able to get all the bulbs burning soon. We have an old ceiling fan just like yours (brown) and I’ve been inspired to paint it white!

    • Jane, I never liked having a ceiling fan above the bed…always dried out my sinuses the few times I ran it. I awoke with a terrible headache. I was glad to get of it. I do sleep with a box fan running…even during the winter. I’m addicted to the noise. πŸ™‚ But I face it away in the winter and toward me during the summer.

  19. SheilaG @ Plum Doodles says

    Your chandeliers are beautiful, Susan. I wish I could help you with the finicky light, but I think you may be right that there is a short in there somewhere. Thanks for hosting the party! πŸ™‚

  20. Susan I love the chandy in your bedroom! I wish we could live without our ceiling fan but we can not. Thanx for hosting!

  21. Susan your bedroom has always been a favorite of mine! Love the chandy covers, I ordered them for my dining room chandy last year. Thanks for hosting, have a great week!

  22. Your master bedroom is gorgeous! Thanks so much for hosting this party each week!

  23. Susan,problem solved,I asked husband(GEORGIA TECH ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING DEGREE)he suggested go to somewhere like Radio Shack or someplace that sales “AC VOLT METERS”(he says they are user friendly)(an inexpensive).I read your blog to him and he was saying you could fix this your self,with out calling the (expensive) electrician.His thoughts are that since it’s older fixture,the socket sounds like it is spring loaded,and most times the small metal becomes either broken or is weaken and not connecting with the bulb.Anyway,a VOLT METER is cheaper than an electrician,can’t wait to see what you do!!
    ~Jo @ LoblollyLane

  24. Debbie refresh resytle says

    Thanks for hosting! Have a great week.

  25. Linda Leyble says

    Hi Susan! I love your chandelier in the bedroom (and of course your diding room chandelier!). I have been trying to get my husband to change our ugly fan in our bedroom – but he is resistant. I even bought the chandelier already – but he wants to keep the fan because he says he needs it for when we are not using the AC in the summer. Got any ideas on how to convince him to change it? It’s white – but I hate it! I told him I would buy him a standing fan (I even have two of those bladeless ones from Dyson that probably do a better job!) so that he wouldn’t miss the cooling factor. I think he’s also fearful of it falling on him…so I have to convince him of safety too.

    I married an engineer – need I say more!


    PS – Thank you so much for always doing the link party. I always get a lot of referrals from your site. Yeah – you are a blessing for my blog!

    • Linda, tell him fans are more dangerous and likely t fall because they are always moving and thus loosening up those bolts over the year! πŸ˜‰ Think he will go for that? Hey, it could be true! Personally for me, I can not sleep under a ceiling fan. I tried right after we bought this house and I always awoke with a terrible sinus headache. It badly dried out my sinuses. I do run a box fan at night during the summer because I love how it feels blowing across me. I’m hooked on the sound though and run it during the winter facing away from me. It lulls me to sleep. I need one of those “white noise” machines for winter. πŸ™‚ Ask him to try the Dyson fans for one week…surely he’ll do that for you. πŸ™‚ Then maybe he’ll let you get your chandy. I hope it works! Thanks…so glad you are getting visits form the party…that’s awesome! Love hearing that!

      • Linda Leyble says

        Thanks Susan – I think that the headache thing might work…in addition to the loosening bolt idea! Brilliant!! And if he tries the Dyson fan for a week – and loves it…then I just may get my wish for a chandelier in our bedroom granted!

        Wish me luck – I will let you know how it turns out!


  26. What a beautiful chandelier. I like the update as well as that you tried to fix the light yourself. Wish I had some advice for you on how to get that light working, but alas, I’m not an electrician. I hope your week is great…is sure feels like a Monday to me this morning. Thanks for hosting!

  27. Your chandeliers are gorgeous!!!…the covers are so beautiful…will have to keep them in mind when it comes to replacing mine!!!….thanks for hosting Susan!!

  28. Thanks for such an informative and cautionary post. I am glad your house didn’t burn down! It is on my never-ending list, ever since I saw the DR post, to replace the covers and bulbs on my own DR chandelier. I don’t suppose I will ever win the battle of getting rid of the ceiling fan in the BR, so I just admire those of others. ;>)


  29. What a gorgeous chandy! Those new covers look like real candles! I have a chandy in our master but not as beautiful as yours!
    Thank you so much for hosting!

  30. Oh, Susan, your bedroom is just stunning. And what a beautiful chancy! We have the ceiling fan in our bedroom but I don’t think I can give it up as I need to run it all summer. It’s functional but not pretty. I didn’t know about silk wrapped bulbs – that’s interesting news. I bought a black wrought iron chandelier for our dinette several years ago that has the candle dripping covers. I’ve hung my Royal Albert teacups from it. I love your blog!

  31. Your chandeliers are gorgeous. I really like the softer look of those resin covers and silk bulbs. I hope you’re able to solve the mystery and get your light shining bright again. Thanks so much for hosting Susan.

  32. Your chandies are gorgeous, Susan. Just like you, we replaced our ceiling fan in the bedroom with a chandy, looks more elegant and I hate air blowing directly on me and so does my husband. I cannot believe you also tackle electric projects. Is there anything you can’t do? You are a lady with so much talents. Come check out our new vacation home!…..Christine

  33. After your last blog…we ordered all new silk wrapped bulbs….luv them!! πŸ™‚ franki

  34. I love that chandelier in your dining room and your bedroom…gorgeous! Thanks for hosting Susan, have a wonderful day!

  35. I love pretty bedrooms with lots of pillows.
    The thing I noticed on your breaker box was nothing seems to have any identification. My son is an electrictian and he will not leave a job until every breaker has a label to the room, appliance or specialty. Sure saves me lots of trips down and up 13 steps.

    • I know, it’s such a pain when they aren’t labeled. Gradually over the years some of them have been labeled on the door that wasn’t visible in the picture. But about half of them aren’t labeled yet. I labeled the master bedroom this time so at least I’ll know which one it is in the future. Thanks, Carol!

  36. That is a beautiful chancy, Susan! Thanks so much for hosting another wonderful party. Hope you have a marvelous week!


  37. I tried some of those silk wrapped bulb in our old newell post fixture. They are a bit pricey but I love ’em. You chandy in you bedroom is so perfect.! I’ll bet you don’t miss that ceiling fan a bit.


  38. Hi Susan I am no help on your electricity dilemma, sorry. This will make you smile. I am always saying *Susan has this, Susan does that* to hubby so he knows who your are and whilst I was looking at your bedroom today, he passed and asked whose bedroom that was. I told him *Susan’s* and he smiled and said *nice chandelier*. I could have whacked him because we had such a debate over having a chandelier in the bedroom when we moved in here. He wanted a fan, because it gets really hot here in the Summer even with A/C, he won and much as I need the fan, I really, really, wanted a chandelier.

    • Megan, that’s hilarious! Tell him that it’s time for that chandelier now and you’ll buy him two fans…one to blow from either side of the bed. πŸ™‚ I sleep with a fan blowing on me all summer and love it. Come winter, I’m so addicted to the sound I have to still run it to sleep (ridiculous, I know) and I just face it away from me.

  39. Your bedroom never ceases to make me smile. The room is just plain pretty! Hope you get your lighting woes rectified. I hate little issues like that. Right now I have a wall switch to the closet that must have something loose. That or there is an issue with the lights themselves. I’m a big chicken when it comes to electricity, but I hate paying the big bucks to hire someone. I’ll play around with it, I guess, cuz I’m cheap. Glad I could link up today. ~ Sue

  40. Oh , your chandelier and your bedroom are gorgeous!! I love the colors. Thank you so much for hosting another awesome party. Have a wonderful week.


  41. Thanks for hosting, Susan! I love how your chandy looks in the bedroom. I am one of those that still has a ceiling fan…but it’s a two story house with no A/C so I’ve got a tough battle with the hubby if I want to replace it!!!

  42. Thank you so much for hosting Susan, I hope this issue is resolved soon. You have a beautiful chandy πŸ™‚
    xoxo, Tanya

  43. Oh, Susan,
    isn’t this unpleasant news?
    I, too, have an issue with lighting because I’m looking for new pretty light bulbs and all one can buy here in Germany are those (ugly, ugly, ugly!!!) “energy saving” light bulbs!
    Selling or importing ordinary incandescent light bulbs (like “frosted bulbs” that I used to have because so nice and soft to the eyes) has been forbidden since years here and the alternative are LED bulbs which are pretty pricey and not all are compatible with dimmers that I love so much! I don’t like paying lots of euros ($$$) for something that ugly! Sigh… (But I have an idea: In April hubby and me will be in Italy for a romantic getaway to the Lake Como and I hope I will find some pretty bulbs there! Fingers crossed!)
    I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you, too, Susan. I hope you will soon enjoy your wonderful chandelier in its entirety! πŸ™‚
    ~Hugs to you~

  44. Gorgeous chandelier!!
    Thanks for hosting!

  45. Susan, I just explained your problem to my husband and how you tried to remedy it to no avail so he feels it is definitely a wiring problem (somewhere) thus the reason why it is not making a proper connection. -Brenda-

    P.S: I am currently in the midst of assembling salvaged chandelier parts to resemble a three-light single hanging pendant so I can relate to your dilemma a bit. As I know absolutely nothing about electricity and was in quandry if the hardwired parts were intact; to test it out he just took two wires and twisted them together and stuck them in an outlet. Needless to say I just about had a heart-attack but surprisingly enough he didn’t get a shock ….. and yes the unit worked.

    • Oh, my gosh…I would have passed out! lol I guess he knew what he was doing! πŸ™‚ I called my lighting guy today and he is going to make a home visit. He said it sounds like it could be the sockets. I think those old plastic candle covers were too small and too tight and may have led to the problem. Anyway, he said he can get it working right so hopefully it will be resolved soon. Tell that hubby of yours that Susan said to be careful! πŸ˜‰

      • Susan, I shall definitely give my husband your message. Why he didn’t light up like a Christmas Tree is beyond me and to think ‘we’ use to preach to our children when they were very young; “never, ever put anything into a plug outlet”! ☺
        In closing, your chandelier is simply gorgeous and happy to hear that your Electrician is going to be paying a house call.

  46. Thanks for the tip on the light bulbs, I had never heard of them before. Thanks for hosting, Laura

  47. Hey Susan,
    Wow, I’m impressed you worked on these lights yourself! I know the up and down when turning electricity off – especially when the breakers are on the lowest level of the home! The chandelier looks so romantic in your bedroom – lovely change. I do appreciate you hosting,

  48. I didn’t even know there were silk wrapped bulbs, but I love the look. I don’t have a single chandelier like that in my house. I would love one in my bedroom, but we have gotten so used to sleeping with a ceiling fan (all year) that I think we would really miss it. I love how they look though-maybe my next house will have a perfect place for one.

    • Sue, I know what you mean about fans. I’m hooked on the one I have in my room…it’s a big box fan and the hum puts me to sleep at night. It’s funny how we get used to those things.

  49. Susan,
    I think the unlit bulb may either have a faulty socket or the wire from the socket to the center/stem of the chandelier may have separated somewhat from the other wires. I would see if the socket is the problem first, you may need to replace it (they come in different lengths) or follow that wire to center of fixture, where all arms come together, and see if that one is loose from the rest. If the wire is made up of many very fine wires run together part of the wire may be connected and part not. When you move the socket around the few that are touching make contact with the screw in the socket and separate when you let go. The last thing you want is a short to cause worse problems.
    Just my trouble shooting 2 cents worth.

    You may need to take down chandelier so it is easier to work on fixture and decrease chance of breaking glass arm.

    • Thanks, Rick. Appreciate those great tips! I called a local lighting guy and he’s suppose to come out and look at it soon. I bet it will be exactly what you’ve said. I hope he doesn’t have to take it down. Ugh, would dread all that. Thanks again for these suggestions. I think it’s getting beyond what I can do by myself.

  50. Rosarinho De Barros says


  51. Thanks for sharing. I recently purchased a new wrought iron chandelier for our Cape Cod home’s dining room. I really love the chandelier itself, but strangely it came with the ugliest yellow-toned plastic candle covers. The online picture of the chandelier showed the candles to be more of a light ivory tone–not what we received. I’m on the hunt to replace these with resin drip candle covers that look similar to what you have on your beautiful chandelier. Are your candle covers ivory or white? And lastly, what diameter are your candle covers?

    • Hi Deena,
      I went with Ivory and I purchased them here: After I bought mine and blogged about them, the owner contacted me and said he would be happy to give BNOTP readers a discount of 10% if you used the code BNOTP at check out. I don’t remember now what diameter I purchased but what I did was I took off one of the old covers and just measured it across to see what size I needed. I measured the height of the old plastic covers and ordered my resin ones in that height. Lumiere custom cut them to the height I specified. But because the resin covers are fatter or thicker than the cheap plastic ones, my candle covers were just a bit too tall when they arrived. I didn’t realize it but the owner of Lumiere saw a picture of them in one of my blog post and told me they needed to be a little bit shorter. I mailed them back to him and he recut them at no charge, which was really nice. If you have any questions about measurements, etc… before you order them, you can call Lumiere at their number on this page: I love my covers…they really transformed my chandeliers in the bedroom and dining room. You can see them on my dining room chandelier in this post:

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